A short film on a budget, Super 8 or 16?

[Nigel]

Mattias--
Where does the 85b filter come in?? It only applies to 7240VNF--K40 and 200T are both A balanced films--Thus yoou could use the built in filter.

Otherwise I agree with your advice. Good Luck.

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[mattias]

nigel, i stand corrected. damn, i can never get this straight for some reason. good thing i have a dp who actually has a brain... ;-)

as for the camera's impact on the result, i never said a cheap camera would make a bad film. i just don't think it's a good idea to spend a fortune on film stock and then run it through a camera with potentially screwed up registration and that might stop working any second. and when it comes to the load size issue, it's simply not possible to get a camera with a 400' mag, which you'll need to shoot short ends, for $100. this doesn't mean the film will look worse with one of those cheap cameras, but that there will be no film at all.

/matt

[gaspode]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Courier, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mattias:
gaspode:
> However, many of these 'profesional' 'toy' cameras (How does that work?) have mane more features than you will ever find on a 16mm camera

really? a dissolve button or what? enlighten me please...


/matt<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Canon 1014 XL-S
auto and manual zoom (multi speed)
Macro
12, 18, 24, 36 fps
Single frame
Intervalometer
220? XL shutter
Auto and Manual exposure
exposure correction, for auto
Backlight compensation
Picture and sound dissolves-okay so sound film is no longer availible, but we can always hope
and variouse sound features which i wont bother to mention for the above reason


Bolex 563 XL
Auto and Manual zoom
Macro
18, 24, 36 fps
Single frame
Intervalomiter
220? XL shutter
Auto and Manual exposure
Exposure correction
Backlight compensation
Auto and manual fades
Picture and sound lap dissolves
And sound features

And there are other cameras with exsessive features.

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'Cause of death... at this time, unknown...'
'Unknown? What the..? He's had his fuckin' head sliced off!'

[S8 Booster]

Further on C1014XL-S

Standard shutter is 150? not 220?(XL) its an option for low light. At 18fps it closely matches the reference shutter speed used by Kodak for motion film set at: 170? / 24fps.

It has a AUTO lap disolve button, one touch job easy to use while filming.
Ever tried a 360? longditudal camera rotation while doing an instant lap dissolve at the end of a take with a different cam or a 16mm? Beautiful effect when next shot is a steady cam shot.

Automatic wind back at 36fps for lap dissolves. No need for manual backwind, lens cap on etc etc or manual aperture contol, cartridge out of cam and more.
Just shoot joy.

Indicator on the film counter that shows where on the cartridge film amount you can perform safe lap dissolves.

In viewfinder film counter & superinposed text warnings +++++

Instant SLO-MO while filming by single push button within a take, no speed selector adjustment needed.

With a little practise all knobs and buttons easliy recognizeable and operatable without moving an eye from the viewfinder.

Buckets of more on the film tech too,

And unfortunately an exceptionally good sound system that may still be used for controling separate sync or non sync sound recording. It works fine for sound control with MD.

I use it with an on-board Sony MD 700 (attached to the film door for "action"shooting) in lack of sound striped film! The 1014 can auto start/stop the MD for each take with a little wizzardy too.

And if you have a Sony MDH-10 with SCSI interface too you can copy all of your MD sound tracks as data files very quickly in to the PC for sound edit. Do not need to play them into the PC.

The 1014 is also prepared for old fashioned pilot tone sync recording as it played the pilot tone onto the sound tracks of the cartidge in the cam as well as on the separate sound recorder.

I think that the 1014 XL-S was planned as an option for TV news shooting. I think I read this a long time ago.

I believe that in the hands of an expert the 1014 is the fastest shooter in the buzz in terms of an action cam for fast changing situations with varying demands. Among others it sets ASA speeds of 16 to 400 auto and compensates manually up to 800, actually without moving an eye off the viewfinder here either.

Technically you can throw cartridges varying from 40 to 500 ASA in and out of the cam all the time without moving an eye of the VF if required for changing demands.

Obviously it was possible to get something out of 54 leg ICs 20+ years ago too.

just4fun.




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Forrest Warrior

[gaspode]

arn't they great? I want one so badly i may just have to go get a proper job in order to affored one.

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'Cause of death... at this time, unknown...'
'Unknown? What the..? He's had his fuckin' head sliced off!'

[S8 Booster]

arn't they great? I want one so badly i may just have to go get a proper job in order to affored one.

If you get one first you can?t hold the decent jobs away from you anyway,

and, I just forgot to mention the unique lens that adds a new dimention to K40: It closes in on the neg films and appears as if it adds some latitude.

Truly unbelievable!



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Forrest Warrior

[S8 Booster]

and, I just forgot to mention the unique COATED lens that adds a new dimention to K40: It closes in on the neg films and appears as if it adds some latitude.

Truly unbelievable!



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Forrest Warrior

[#Pedro]

The only draw-back for the overall perfect Canon seems to be the split image view-finder. FOr me, a ground glass is a "must" for quick and perfect focussing without changing the framing, therefore my desicion long years ago had been the Beaulieu, after many trys with that air-image, split-image and other cameras, never allowing any reliable focussing.
The Beaulieu has an unique feature to set the focus as quick as possible, a singular knob that temporary opens the stop totally and zooms in to the maximum zoom lenght. Than the focus can be set very accuratly.

The other really proffessional feature of Beaulieu, that camereas with fixed lenses don?t have, is the real servo iris in the optical centre of the lens, and the direct film exposure without any prism inbetween. You must have seen pictures, taken with an Angenieus 1:1.2/6-80, it?s unbelievable how sharp and contrasty S8 can be! It?s iris is designed in a way, that it provides a different number of blades depending of the stop, in order to provide maximum sharpness. The coating is so astonishing good, that even direct sun beating into the lens doesn?t cause any iris effects or reflexions. It?s crisp sharp even at stop 1:1,2 under lowlight conditions.

The totally free ASA setting allows real professional light controlling with external light measuring meters (and not internal object measuring meters), IF that option is required. Then the stop can be set at a conventionally marked stop ring (T-stops) at the lens, as with any 16 mm camera. In auto exp. mode, the stop can be hold fixed whenever desired.

For special effects, the digital single frame counter gives total control, even for animation jobs in single frame mode, or to work with individual lap dissolves. You can perform that modern quick lap dissolves of only a few frames, just as a short wipe, softening a hard cut, or long 100 frames lap dissolves, or anything in between. No fixed mechanism that determines the speed. Same thing with fading. The shutter can be closed smoothly manual, providing total control to the user. And when totally closed, the motor stops for not wasting any more film.

The Beaulieu true reflex systema avoids any quality and light losses that comes with prism systems. Standard S8 cameras waste about the half of the light only for feeding viewfinder and meter. So a 1:1,4 lens becomes a 1:2,8 lens. As a consequence, a XL shutter is needed to compensate the lack of light with longer exposure times. This results in the home-movie style registration with wiped movements. The Beaulieu reflex system always uses 100% of the light for exposuring, thus relalizing XL behavior with short shutter times. A 1:1,4 lens keeps a 1:1,4 lens, nothing inbetween lens and film.

Pedro

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[Mikko]

1014 XL-S
"I think that the 1014 XL-S was planned as an option for TV news shooting. I think I read this a long time ago."

If it was for TV's news teams, where's the 25 fps speed? it's a good camera, but not designed for TV use. Or they just ignored the PAL countrys.

" Among others it sets ASA speeds of 16 to 400 auto and compensates manually up to 800, "

It has no manual ASA settings, only automatically from ASA 25 to 400.

Dial M for Mikko

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[mattias]

> auto and manual zoom (multi speed)

you don't ever find this on 16mm cameras?

> Macro

you don't ever find this on 16mm cameras?

> 12, 18, 24, 36 fps

you don't ever find this on 16mm cameras?

> Single frame

you don't ever find this on 16mm cameras?

> Intervalometer

you don't ever find this on 16mm cameras?

> 220? XL shutter

ok, but those suck anyway.

> Auto and Manual exposure

i never use auto exposure. you shouldn't either.

> exposure correction, for auto

see above.

> Backlight compensation

*lol*

> Picture and sound dissolves

yes, that's what i thought. one semi useful feature. great...

/matt